Remove "X kicked X" terminology when removing people from a room

[gaelledel]

This issue is: Ready to Build

What would you like to do?

To remove the wording "X kicked X" when someone is removed from a room and replace with "X removed X"

Why would you like to do it?

Because it is more acceptable terminology

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EDIT bmarty
Ok, confirmed internally:

• replace all instance of "kick" and their variations to "remove" and their variations in the English wording. Translation will updated later following the regular Weblate process. No need to create new strings.
• add the slash command /remove but keep the existing /kick for now. They will have the same effect.

[bmarty]

"removed" is a bit strange to me, maybe "excluded"?
Anyway we will need a confirmation from the product team (@daniellekirkwood ) to do this change, also it will have to be done on all the Element apps.

[daniellekirkwood]

I agree. Is this message specifically for the event in the timeline? Could you provide a screenshot, @gaelledel?

Also note that "kicked" is the terminology we use across the product for this action. It would be strange to kick a user from a room and then not see that confirmation in the timeline...

Benoit, "Excluded" has different meaning in English - for example, when children are excluded from school, they are not allowed back. It's also a more emotive term - to feel excluded. When a user is Kicked from a Room, they could be invited back in?

[gaelledel]

Using the term Removed is absolutely fine and I had a discussion with Matthew about it a long time ago so please let's just go with it. No point debating on this subject any further as it was discussed again and again... This is now done on the web just waiting for this to be done on mobile for a synced update cross plat.
matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#7469 (review)

Linked to element-hq/element-web#9547

[gaelledel]

Please note that the term kick will obviously have to be replaced with "remove" at several other areas. Please check @t3chguy PR here for more info matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#7469
We can therefore use "Remove from chat" in both rooms and DMs

[bmarty]

A kicked user can freely join again a public room. A banned user cannot.

[daniellekirkwood]

There are other strings that don't have a clear replacement path (raised by @fedrunov)

"kicking user will remove them from this room.\n\nTo prevent them from joining again, you should ban them instead."
"Invites, kicks, and bans are unaffected."

from	to
"kicking user will remove them from this room. To prevent them from joining again, you should ban them instead."	The user will be removed from this room. To prevent them from joining again, you should ban them instead.
Invites, kicks, and bans are unaffected.	Invites, removes, and bans are unaffected

@gaelledel Can you please confirm the replacement text is ok?

[bmarty]

Will be in Element 1.3.16

[t3chguy]

I was under the impression this needed a synchronised release between all the platforms.

[daniellekirkwood]

I don't think we have to do it all at the same time as the Kick action will still work everywhere. Some content changes and an additional "Remove" action should cause too much of an issue

Good reminder for me to check on the status across platforms though, thanks

[t3chguy]

Well its been ready on Web pending a synced release so that users aren't confused seeing Kick on one platform and Remove on another

[bmarty]

Note that Element 1.3.16 release candidate is scheduled to be done January 25th and the next Monday on Prod

[daniellekirkwood]

Well its been ready on Web pending a synced release so that users aren't confused seeing Kick on one platform and Remove on another

Can you send me the issue, let's go ahead and push it thru on web too

[t3chguy]

@daniellekirkwood matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#7469

[SPiRiT369]

I like this change and never understood why the brutal "kick" word was chosen back in the IRC days. Looking forward for replacing "ban" with "block"! 🤗