diff --git a/mypy/expandtype.py b/mypy/expandtype.py
index d3286480e316..96d556121fd4 100644
--- a/mypy/expandtype.py
+++ b/mypy/expandtype.py
@@ -34,7 +34,9 @@
     UnionType,
     UnpackType,
     expand_param_spec,
+    flatten_nested_unions,
     get_proper_type,
+    remove_trivial,
 )
 from mypy.typevartuples import (
     find_unpack_in_list,
@@ -405,11 +407,13 @@ def visit_literal_type(self, t: LiteralType) -> Type:
         return t
 
     def visit_union_type(self, t: UnionType) -> Type:
-        # After substituting for type variables in t.items,
-        # some of the resulting types might be subtypes of others.
-        from mypy.typeops import make_simplified_union  # asdf
-
-        return make_simplified_union(self.expand_types(t.items), t.line, t.column)
+        expanded = self.expand_types(t.items)
+        # After substituting for type variables in t.items, some resulting types
+        # might be subtypes of others, however calling  make_simplified_union()
+        # can cause recursion, so we just remove strict duplicates.
+        return UnionType.make_union(
+            remove_trivial(flatten_nested_unions(expanded)), t.line, t.column
+        )
 
     def visit_partial_type(self, t: PartialType) -> Type:
         return t
diff --git a/mypy/types.py b/mypy/types.py
index 7d2ac9911bef..326727310a1b 100644
--- a/mypy/types.py
+++ b/mypy/types.py
@@ -3487,3 +3487,33 @@ def store_argument_type(
         if not isinstance(arg_type, ParamSpecType) and not typ.unpack_kwargs:
             arg_type = named_type("builtins.dict", [named_type("builtins.str", []), arg_type])
     defn.arguments[i].variable.type = arg_type
+
+
+def remove_trivial(types: Iterable[Type]) -> list[Type]:
+    """Make trivial simplifications on a list of types without calling is_subtype().
+
+    This makes following simplifications:
+        * Remove bottom types (taking into account strict optional setting)
+        * Remove everything else if there is an `object`
+        * Remove strict duplicate types
+    """
+    removed_none = False
+    new_types = []
+    all_types = set()
+    for t in types:
+        p_t = get_proper_type(t)
+        if isinstance(p_t, UninhabitedType):
+            continue
+        if isinstance(p_t, NoneType) and not state.strict_optional:
+            removed_none = True
+            continue
+        if isinstance(p_t, Instance) and p_t.type.fullname == "builtins.object":
+            return [p_t]
+        if p_t not in all_types:
+            new_types.append(t)
+            all_types.add(p_t)
+    if new_types:
+        return new_types
+    if removed_none:
+        return [NoneType()]
+    return [UninhabitedType()]
diff --git a/test-data/unit/check-recursive-types.test b/test-data/unit/check-recursive-types.test
index 95b0918866f1..0aa3c4c18be3 100644
--- a/test-data/unit/check-recursive-types.test
+++ b/test-data/unit/check-recursive-types.test
@@ -837,3 +837,37 @@ def foo(x: T) -> C: ...
 
 Nested = Union[C, Sequence[Nested]]
 x: Nested = foo(42)
+
+[case testNoRecursiveExpandInstanceUnionCrash]
+from typing import List, Union
+
+class Tag(List[Union[Tag, List[Tag]]]): ...
+Tag()
+
+[case testNoRecursiveExpandInstanceUnionCrashGeneric]
+from typing import Generic, Iterable, TypeVar, Union
+
+ValueT = TypeVar("ValueT")
+class Recursive(Iterable[Union[ValueT, Recursive[ValueT]]]):
+    pass
+
+class Base(Generic[ValueT]):
+    def __init__(self, element: ValueT):
+        pass
+class Sub(Base[Union[ValueT, Recursive[ValueT]]]):
+    pass
+
+x: Iterable[str]
+reveal_type(Sub)  # N: Revealed type is "def [ValueT] (element: Union[ValueT`1, __main__.Recursive[ValueT`1]]) -> __main__.Sub[ValueT`1]"
+reveal_type(Sub(x))  # N: Revealed type is "__main__.Sub[typing.Iterable[builtins.str]]"
+
+[case testNoRecursiveExpandInstanceUnionCrashInference]
+from typing import TypeVar, Union, Generic, List
+
+T = TypeVar("T")
+InList = Union[T, InListRecurse[T]]
+class InListRecurse(Generic[T], List[InList[T]]): ...
+
+def list_thing(transforming: InList[T]) -> T:
+    ...
+reveal_type(list_thing([5]))  # N: Revealed type is "builtins.list[builtins.int]"
diff --git a/test-data/unit/pythoneval.test b/test-data/unit/pythoneval.test
index 3f669246bb4e..d89a66d1c544 100644
--- a/test-data/unit/pythoneval.test
+++ b/test-data/unit/pythoneval.test
@@ -1735,3 +1735,19 @@ _testEnumNameWorkCorrectlyOn311.py:12: note: Revealed type is "Union[Literal[1]?
 _testEnumNameWorkCorrectlyOn311.py:13: note: Revealed type is "Literal['X']?"
 _testEnumNameWorkCorrectlyOn311.py:14: note: Revealed type is "builtins.int"
 _testEnumNameWorkCorrectlyOn311.py:15: note: Revealed type is "builtins.int"
+
+[case testTypedDictUnionGetFull]
+from typing import Dict
+from typing_extensions import TypedDict
+
+class TD(TypedDict, total=False):
+    x: int
+    y: int
+
+A = Dict[str, TD]
+x: A
+def foo(k: str) -> TD:
+    reveal_type(x.get(k, {}))
+    return x.get(k, {})
+[out]
+_testTypedDictUnionGetFull.py:11: note: Revealed type is "TypedDict('_testTypedDictUnionGetFull.TD', {'x'?: builtins.int, 'y'?: builtins.int})"