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<v Speaker 1>Hello Dr Peterson,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to listen to my </v>

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<v Speaker 1>conscience,</v>
<v Speaker 1>but I can't tell the difference between </v>

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<v Speaker 1>fear,</v>
<v Speaker 1>willful blindness or genuine conscience.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Well,</v>
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I would say about that </v>

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<v Speaker 1>is it is quite clear that you are in </v>
<v Speaker 1>fact trying to listen to your conscience</v>

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<v Speaker 1>because that's probably the first thing </v>
<v Speaker 1>that you discover,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>so that's a really good question.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Okay,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>fear.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Well,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>here's a test and you don't want to do </v>
<v Speaker 1>this stupidly.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>If you think that you should do </v>
<v Speaker 1>something and you think that the reason </v>

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<v Speaker 1>you might not be doing it is because </v>
<v Speaker 1>you're afraid,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>then you should do it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So that way you can find out if it's </v>
<v Speaker 1>fear.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>No,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I think your question is,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>well,</v>
<v Speaker 1>how do I know my conscience isn't just </v>

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<v Speaker 1>masquerading as fear saying,</v>
<v Speaker 1>well,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't do that,</v>
<v Speaker 1>but it's rationalizing the real issue,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>which is you're afraid of doing that.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Now,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>see,</v>
<v Speaker 1>here's a reason that you want to tell </v>

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<v Speaker 1>the truth.</v>
<v Speaker 1>And I parked.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of figured this out when I was </v>
<v Speaker 1>looking deeply into the Pinocchio Story.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You know when Pinocchio as Pinocchio </v>
<v Speaker 1>strives to become real,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>he,</v>
<v Speaker 1>he has a conscience to guide him,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>but it's jimminy cricket,</v>
<v Speaker 1>this insect,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>but Gemini isn't really a very good </v>
<v Speaker 1>conscience.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>He's a bit dogmatic to begin with,</v>
<v Speaker 1>dogmatic and didn't experienced,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's not like the conscience is an </v>

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<v Speaker 1>unerring guide.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's like a partner in discovery and as </v>

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<v Speaker 1>you move forward in your life and you </v>
<v Speaker 1>consult your conscience and you listened</v>

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<v Speaker 1>to it,</v>
<v Speaker 1>then it gets smarter and so to you,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a Coda there,</v>
<v Speaker 1>and this is why I've suggested part of </v>

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why I've suggested so </v>
<v Speaker 1>frequently in my lectures and in my book</v>

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<v Speaker 1>that people try not to lie.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>See,</v>
<v Speaker 1>there are many systems.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You have many systems within.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Let's say that guide you and one of </v>

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<v Speaker 1>those is your capacity for rational </v>
<v Speaker 1>thought and then you have a variety of </v>

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<v Speaker 1>emotional systems and motivational </v>
<v Speaker 1>systems and internal dramas and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>intuitions and bodily sensations like </v>
<v Speaker 1>lots and lots of incenses.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of systems that are guiding you and</v>
<v Speaker 1>many of them operate.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You might say,</v>
<v Speaker 1>unconsciously,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>autonomously,</v>
<v Speaker 1>instinctively,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>implicitly,</v>
<v Speaker 1>all of that.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Now you pr nonetheless,</v>
<v Speaker 1>you programmed them like you feed them </v>

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<v Speaker 1>content,</v>
<v Speaker 1>let's say just like you feed your body </v>

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<v Speaker 1>nourishment,</v>
<v Speaker 1>you feed them content and a lot of the </v>

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<v Speaker 1>content that you feed them pertains </v>
<v Speaker 1>directly to your voluntary thoughts and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>speech and your actions and then if you </v>
<v Speaker 1>pathologize those by lying,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>so if you say things that you know not </v>
<v Speaker 1>to be true or you don't say things that </v>

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<v Speaker 1>you know to be true when you need to,</v>
<v Speaker 1>which is more common and if you act in </v>

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<v Speaker 1>ways that you consider that an act in </v>
<v Speaker 1>ways you considered reprehensible,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>then you pathologize all of those </v>
<v Speaker 1>autonomous systems that guide you.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you're programming them badly.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You're building an AI system inside </v>

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<v Speaker 1>yourself really in in,</v>
<v Speaker 1>in some sense that is what you're doing.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That has very bad.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's very bad training data and so the </v>

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<v Speaker 1>output it produces will be will,</v>
<v Speaker 1>won't guide you properly and so you </v>

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to pathologize your guidance </v>
<v Speaker 1>systems.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really bad idea.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So that's why you have to not lie and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's also why you have to say </v>
<v Speaker 1>what you have to say and you have to say</v>

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<v Speaker 1>clearly as well and you have to learn </v>
<v Speaker 1>how to do that.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So that's one of the ways of getting </v>
<v Speaker 1>your conscience straightened out.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have to have a dialogue </v>
<v Speaker 1>with your conscience and you might ask.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's like,</v>
<v Speaker 1>okay,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>well what should I do or what should,</v>
<v Speaker 1>should I do this or should I not do </v>

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<v Speaker 1>this?</v>
<v Speaker 1>So let's say you're thinking,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>should I not do this?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>In the case of a temptation,</v>
<v Speaker 1>maybe you have a chance to develop a new</v>

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<v Speaker 1>relationship.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You know,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>and you're,</v>
<v Speaker 1>you're excited about it and apprehensive</v>

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<v Speaker 1>about it and afraid of it and you don't </v>
<v Speaker 1>know how to sort out all those feelings.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And the first thing is you really have </v>
<v Speaker 1>to want to sort them out.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you have to orient yourself </v>
<v Speaker 1>to something that's a genuine up.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You know that the star above the </v>
<v Speaker 1>horizon,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you have to really want things to be </v>
<v Speaker 1>straight and you have to have thought </v>

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<v Speaker 1>that through.</v>
<v Speaker 1>And you have to know what it means for </v>

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<v Speaker 1>things not to be straight,</v>
<v Speaker 1>and really what it means is that you're </v>

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<v Speaker 1>headed for hell in one way or another.</v>
<v Speaker 1>And if you understand that it's enough,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's enough to scare you straight.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You really gotta think that through.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Then you've got to think about how much </v>
<v Speaker 1>better it would be if you aimed up and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>and that really has to kind of permeate </v>
<v Speaker 1>your whole being.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And so then you're oriented that way </v>
<v Speaker 1>you're oriented to adopt and you're </v>

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<v Speaker 1>deciding that it's okay to try to tell </v>
<v Speaker 1>the truth and then you can start to rely</v>

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<v Speaker 1>on this dialogue with your conscience.</v>
<v Speaker 1>But both of you have to learn and you're</v>

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make mistakes along the way.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You know that's okay.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You can say,</v>
<v Speaker 1>well,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try this without being </v>
<v Speaker 1>certain that it's right.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You can even say,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say this without being </v>

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<v Speaker 1>certain that it's correct.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Like if you're arguing with your wife or</v>

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<v Speaker 1>your husband or your or your sister,</v>
<v Speaker 1>your father,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>and you have an idea about what might be</v>
<v Speaker 1>going on.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You can say,</v>
<v Speaker 1>look,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>here's my idea about what's going on,</v>
<v Speaker 1>who knows what that idea might be </v>

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<v Speaker 1>contaminated with like,</v>
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm putting it forward just </v>

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm too proud or arrogant or </v>
<v Speaker 1>angry or fearful or whatever that's </v>

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<v Speaker 1>possible.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see if we can figure that out.</v>
<v Speaker 1>But you can offer it tentatively and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>both have at it.</v>
<v Speaker 1>That's what you do.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a hypothesis,</v>
<v Speaker 1>right.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You both have at it and see if it's an </v>
<v Speaker 1>idea that's worthy of,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>of keeping you do that with your </v>
<v Speaker 1>conscience.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And then you were moved forward.</v>
<v Speaker 1>There's a,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>there's a technique in behavioral </v>
<v Speaker 1>psychology called psychotherapy called </v>

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<v Speaker 1>collaborative empiricism.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So let's say that we,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have been sitting down and we </v>
<v Speaker 1>decided that you're going to try </v>

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<v Speaker 1>something new this week,</v>
<v Speaker 1>like maybe your agoraphobic and you're </v>

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<v Speaker 1>having a hard time in a parking lot and </v>
<v Speaker 1>so getting out of the car and going to </v>

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery store.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So maybe we say,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>well,</v>
<v Speaker 1>you know,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>drive to the grocery store and you're </v>
<v Speaker 1>just gonna walk halfway to the two,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>halfway from your car to the door and </v>
<v Speaker 1>that's good enough for like,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>do that every second day for a week and </v>
<v Speaker 1>then come back and let's talk about it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So that's collaborative empiricism.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You're running little experiments,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you think what your conscience is </v>
<v Speaker 1>guiding you towards something.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You take a tentative step in that </v>
<v Speaker 1>direction and then you check and see,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>well,</v>
<v Speaker 1>you know,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>did what I wanted to have happen or </v>
<v Speaker 1>occur as an outcome.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That's the crucial question and that's </v>
<v Speaker 1>the crucial question for behavioral </v>

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<v Speaker 1>truth,</v>
<v Speaker 1>right?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That's the pragmatic perspective.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Did what I want to have happened happen </v>

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<v Speaker 1>as a consequence of my framework of </v>
<v Speaker 1>interpretation and my action.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>If the answer is yes,</v>
<v Speaker 1>then I have not invalidated it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Right?</v>
<v Speaker 1>That's,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>that's the pragmatic philosophy in a </v>
<v Speaker 1>nutshell.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And it's,</v>
<v Speaker 1>it's very,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>very smart.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So you have a dialogue with your </v>

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<v Speaker 1>conscience that never ends and hopefully</v>
<v Speaker 1>it gets wiser and you get wiser.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>And</v>

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<v Speaker 1>that's the dialogue that young talked </v>
<v Speaker 1>about between the conscious and the </v>

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<v Speaker 1>unconscious,</v>
<v Speaker 1>between your,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>your fantasy life.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Say the life that sort of underneath you</v>

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<v Speaker 1>as a conscious being like the life </v>
<v Speaker 1>that's part of your biological platform,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>the biological platform that somehow </v>
<v Speaker 1>miraculously gives rise to your </v>

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness.</v>
<v Speaker 1>If a dialogue with that.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>We're always in dialogue.</v>
<v Speaker 1>We're always in dialogue,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>right with everything,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>so pursue that.</v>