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WEBVTT
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<v Speaker 1>So people often ask me,</v>
<v Speaker 1>do you believe in God,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>which I don't,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I don't like that question.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>First of all,</v>
<v Speaker 1>it's an attempt to to.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>It's an attempt to box me in in a sense,</v>
<v Speaker 1>and the reason that it's an attempt to </v>
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<v Speaker 1>box me in is because the question is </v>
<v Speaker 1>asked so that I can be firmly placed on </v>
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<v Speaker 1>one side of a two of a binary argument.</v>
<v Speaker 1>And,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>and the reason I don't like to answer it</v>
<v Speaker 1>is because a,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to be boxed in and B,</v>
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know what the person </v>
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<v Speaker 1>means by believe or God and they think </v>
<v Speaker 1>they know and the probability that they </v>
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<v Speaker 1>construe belief and construed God the </v>
<v Speaker 1>same way I do is virtually zero.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>So it's,</v>
<v Speaker 1>it's a question that doesn't work for me</v>
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<v Speaker 1>on multiple levels of analysis,</v>
<v Speaker 1>but strangely enough,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>just as we were talking,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I the answer to that question popped </v>
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<v Speaker 1>into my head.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>I act as if God exists.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Now you can decide for yourself whether </v>
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<v Speaker 1>that means that I believe in him,</v>
<v Speaker 1>so to speak,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>but I act as if he exists.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So that's a good enough answer for that.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Then with regards to these other issues,</v>
<v Speaker 1>the divinity of Christ,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>well,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I would say the same problems with the </v>
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<v Speaker 1>question formulation obtain what do you </v>
<v Speaker 1>mean by divine and also what do you mean</v>
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<v Speaker 1>by Christ?</v>
<v Speaker 1>These are very,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>very difficult questions.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Now,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>I believe that for all intents and </v>
<v Speaker 1>purposes,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>I believe that the logos is divine in so</v>
<v Speaker 1>far as we.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>If if by divine you mean of ultimate </v>
<v Speaker 1>value of ultimate transcendent value.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Yes,</v>
<v Speaker 1>it's divine.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>It's associated with death and rebirth </v>
<v Speaker 1>clearly because the logo's dismantles </v>
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<v Speaker 1>you and rebuilds you,</v>
<v Speaker 1>so that's what happens when you make an </v>
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<v Speaker 1>error.</v>
<v Speaker 1>When you make an error,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>some part of you has to go.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>That's the sacrifice you have to let it </v>
<v Speaker 1>go.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's a big part of you.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>it's sometimes it can be such a big part</v>
<v Speaker 1>of you that you actually die,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>right?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Instead of dying and being reborn,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>is there something more than merely </v>
<v Speaker 1>metaphorical about the idea of being of </v>
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<v Speaker 1>dying and being reborn?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Yes,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>there is.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Because those are associated with </v>
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<v Speaker 1>physiological transformations.</v>
<v Speaker 1>How?</v>
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<v Speaker 1>What's the ultimate extent of that?</v>
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>You know,</v>
<v Speaker 1>the question is what happens to the </v>
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<v Speaker 1>world around you as you embark,</v>
<v Speaker 1>as you increasingly embody the logos and</v>
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<v Speaker 1>the answer to that is we don't know.</v>
<v Speaker 1>We don't know what the ultimate level of</v>
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<v Speaker 1>this.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Now the hypothesis is,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>and it's a hypothesis that extends to </v>
<v Speaker 1>some degree to Buddha as well.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>The hypothesis is that there has been </v>
<v Speaker 1>one or two individuals who managed that </v>
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<v Speaker 1>and that in their management of that </v>
<v Speaker 1>they transcended death itself.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Well then you might ask yourself,</v>
<v Speaker 1>well,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>what do you mean by transcended death?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Well,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>in the case of Christ,</v>
<v Speaker 1>let's assume he was a historical figure </v>
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<v Speaker 1>for the,</v>
<v Speaker 1>for the time being,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>which I think is the simplest thing to </v>
<v Speaker 1>assume.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Uhm,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I think there is sufficient evidence to </v>
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<v Speaker 1>conclude that you could conclude </v>
<v Speaker 1>otherwise,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>but I personally,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I feel that there's sufficient evidence </v>
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<v Speaker 1>to conclude that.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Did He,</v>
<v Speaker 1>is his resurrection real but his spirit </v>
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<v Speaker 1>lives on.</v>
<v Speaker 1>That's certainly the case.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>In what sense do you mean spirit?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Just to qualify that,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>how well let,</v>
<v Speaker 1>let's imagine that a spirit is a pattern</v>
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<v Speaker 1>of being and we know that patterns can </v>
<v Speaker 1>exist.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Independent patterns can be transmitted </v>
<v Speaker 1>across multiple substrates,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>right?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Vinyl,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>electronic impulses,</v>
<v Speaker 1>air vibrations in your ear,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>neurological patterns,</v>
<v Speaker 1>dance,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>so all the translation of what you might</v>
<v Speaker 1>describe as a spirit,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>right?</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>it's that pattern.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's independent of its material,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>substrate.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Well,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Christ spirit lives on it.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>it's,</v>
<v Speaker 1>uh,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>it's had a massive effect across time.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Well,</v>
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<v Speaker 1>is that an answer to the question?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Did his body resurrect?</v>
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.</v>
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>It is.</v>
<v Speaker 1>The accounts aren't clear for one thing.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>What the accounts mean isn't clear.</v>
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened to a person </v>
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<v Speaker 1>if they bring themselves completely into</v>
<v Speaker 1>alignment.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>I've had intimations of what that might </v>
<v Speaker 1>mean.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>We don't understand the world very well.</v>
<v Speaker 1>We don't understand how the world could </v>
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<v Speaker 1>be mastered if it was mastered </v>
<v Speaker 1>completely.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>We don't know how an individual might be</v>
<v Speaker 1>able to manage that.</v>
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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what transformations that </v>
<v Speaker 1>might make possible.</v>