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<v Speaker 1>Is it morally right to bring people into</v>
<v Speaker 1>existence without their consent and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that they will inevitably </v>
<v Speaker 1>intrude suffering during their life?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it selfish?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Good question.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Tolstoy.</v>
<v Speaker 1>I asked that question.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're interested in,</v>
<v Speaker 1>in an answer that question.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>No.</v>
<v Speaker 1>One of the things I would recommend that</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you read that book because that was kind</v>
<v Speaker 1>of history.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>We looked at last thought.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>He tells this story.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's a story about this guy.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You told her he's being chased by people</v>
<v Speaker 1>who want to kill him.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So he jumps into this hole and he's </v>
<v Speaker 1>hanging on.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an old whale.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's hanging on for dear life to this </v>

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<v Speaker 1>scratching and at the bottom of the hole</v>
<v Speaker 1>there's a crocodile and so he's hanging </v>

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<v Speaker 1>on there.</v>
<v Speaker 1>I'm always.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>How you gone?</v>
<v Speaker 1>He noticed this two phase.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>There's some grapes on the vine and then</v>
<v Speaker 1>there's about two mice,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>one's black and one's white and all of a</v>
<v Speaker 1>sudden they're on.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You either started buying into chewing </v>
<v Speaker 1>through it so he knows,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you know,</v>
<v Speaker 1>and Nick Yoder,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you could fall and get killed or he </v>
<v Speaker 1>could wait last.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you guys eat?</v>
<v Speaker 1>The grapes,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's a Buddhist store that was story </v>

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<v Speaker 1>because the white mouse is chaos or </v>
<v Speaker 1>order in the black house is chaos and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>there's always things working at the </v>
<v Speaker 1>vitamin B.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt about it.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You know you're screwed no matter what </v>

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<v Speaker 1>you do,</v>
<v Speaker 1>which is the moral of that story and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>tolstoy.</v>
<v Speaker 1>He looked at that story and said,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>look,</v>
<v Speaker 1>the only logical conclusion that you can</v>

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<v Speaker 1>draw from that is that life is so </v>
<v Speaker 1>terrible that it shouldn't exist.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And hey,</v>
<v Speaker 1>dusty asked the same question in </v>

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<v Speaker 1>probably is chromosome.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You have this therapy.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It was just smart.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Good wrote being tough guy,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>good intellect,</v>
<v Speaker 1>perceptive and yes,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>this revenue down the Osha who's kind </v>
<v Speaker 1>of.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>He's a soft guy in some ways.</v>
<v Speaker 1>He's not an intellect,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>but he's really a good person now.</v>
<v Speaker 1>He was just kind of classically </v>

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<v Speaker 1>religious sneezes.</v>
<v Speaker 1>He wants to be vitiated monastery again.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And I would just talk to the because he </v>
<v Speaker 1>can blow over with his intellect.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You know,</v>
<v Speaker 1>and I can tell us the story about the </v>

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<v Speaker 1>Gospel asked you took from the </v>
<v Speaker 1>newspaper,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>this family,</v>
<v Speaker 1>mother and father,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>they were angry at their four year old </v>
<v Speaker 1>daughter and her house overnight and she</v>

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<v Speaker 1>was screaming out there using and not </v>
<v Speaker 1>even basically says to know who's making</v>

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<v Speaker 1>the case for the goodness of being on </v>
<v Speaker 1>the goodness of God even says bothered.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>How can you bothered?</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's like this is the sort of thing that</v>

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the world all the time,</v>
<v Speaker 1>and then you ask them what the Osha Law,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>when you willing voluntary torture that </v>
<v Speaker 1>girl to get to ensure that things would </v>

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<v Speaker 1>continue.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Alicia says,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>well,</v>
<v Speaker 1>no,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing and what I know you wouldn't</v>
<v Speaker 1>do it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like,</v>
<v Speaker 1>what's your conclusion about that being </v>

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't exist?</v>
<v Speaker 1>And then Girtha asks the same question.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>He is a firehouse is character in that </v>
<v Speaker 1>they,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>that the software works and metastases.</v>
<v Speaker 1>This is kind of the intellectual ankle </v>

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<v Speaker 1>of Satan.</v>
<v Speaker 1>That's one way of thinking about it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>And he says the same thing.</v>
<v Speaker 1>He's talking about his motivation.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>He says,</v>
<v Speaker 1>well,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>what motivates the great adversary of </v>
<v Speaker 1>mankind?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Straightforward being so terrible that </v>
<v Speaker 1>it should be eradicated.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Okay,</v>
<v Speaker 1>fair enough.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Strong people try it.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's not clear to me that that's where </v>

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<v Speaker 1>we should go.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So because as far as I can tell,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>when people work for the eradication of </v>
<v Speaker 1>being,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>it makes everything that they're </v>
<v Speaker 1>complaining about way worse,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>really fast.</v>
<v Speaker 1>And so then the other thing you might </v>

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself is,</v>
<v Speaker 1>do you think that's the motivation?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's really so pure heart.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You know they're going to destroy </v>

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<v Speaker 1>mankind to save and they're making a </v>
<v Speaker 1>judgment.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>The judgment is being is so terrible </v>
<v Speaker 1>that it shouldn't exist.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Now,</v>
<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I get the rationale,</v>
<v Speaker 1>the Ivan's rationale.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It was never clicked more strongly than </v>
<v Speaker 1>in the brothers Karamazov.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's a famous passage and writing.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So the question is with regards to </v>
<v Speaker 1>bringing children into the world,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>mom,</v>
<v Speaker 1>it's a variation of the same question.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You know the question is what do you </v>
<v Speaker 1>have to conclude if you're not willing </v>

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<v Speaker 1>to do it,</v>
<v Speaker 1>you're completely with bed is not with </v>

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<v Speaker 1>the being is not just a particular.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a hell of a conclusion.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I would be very careful before I made it</v>
<v Speaker 1>because there are places it takes you </v>

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<v Speaker 1>that's not good,</v>
<v Speaker 1>so and then you might also ask yourself,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>are you so sure that you're asking that </v>
<v Speaker 1>question just because you're a good </v>

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<v Speaker 1>person or you may be asking that </v>
<v Speaker 1>question because you don't want the </v>

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<v Speaker 1>response to say,</v>
<v Speaker 1>of having a child in his finger and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>said,</v>
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you're afraid that you won't </v>

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<v Speaker 1>know how to fortify the child property,</v>
<v Speaker 1>so you're withdrawing the fair.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Look what do you do with children </v>

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<v Speaker 1>because you encouraged them and I mean </v>
<v Speaker 1>that literally.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you have a little kid and you </v>
<v Speaker 1>say,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>look,</v>
<v Speaker 1>you can take on the world and you don't </v>

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<v Speaker 1>sugarcoat it just like it's not.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's all fairy tales and roses.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's not.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Neil is shield things enough so you </v>

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<v Speaker 1>don't damage them.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's a very tight balancing because you </v>

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to know what to overwhelmed.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Someone hurt them while you're teaching </v>

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<v Speaker 1>them.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You have to expose him gradually and </v>

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<v Speaker 1>with intelligence and you do that by </v>
<v Speaker 1>having a relationship with the kid.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to shield them from </v>
<v Speaker 1>existence.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>We want to show them just what it's like</v>
<v Speaker 1>and then you want to tell them it </v>

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter,</v>
<v Speaker 1>man,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you're tough enough.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You can do it and you can do it right </v>

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<v Speaker 1>and it's true.</v>
<v Speaker 1>They can and if you see four to five and</v>

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<v Speaker 1>with that knowledge they are,</v>
<v Speaker 1>they're being is not characterized by </v>

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of suffering that makes </v>
<v Speaker 1>existence intolerable and so the answer </v>

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<v Speaker 1>is not to have children.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is cooperative and encourage </v>
<v Speaker 1>them and that's tough because you don't.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You're kind of fragmented,</v>
<v Speaker 1>been broken,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>and if you treat your child,</v>
<v Speaker 1>they might exceed me.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That's annoying.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So you may do everything you can to </v>

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<v Speaker 1>bloody well made sure that your kid is </v>
<v Speaker 1>broken enough so there's no way they're </v>

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<v Speaker 1>going to do any better than you,</v>
<v Speaker 1>and so I wouldn't recommend that,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>but people do it all the time,</v>
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean that existence </v>

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<v Speaker 1>itself is insufficient.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It just means that you're not handling </v>

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<v Speaker 1>the property and you're making it far </v>
<v Speaker 1>worse than it has to be.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>In.</v>
<v Speaker 1>One of the things I asked myself a long </v>

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<v Speaker 1>time ago,</v>
<v Speaker 1>first of all,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's a distinction between </v>
<v Speaker 1>tragedy and that's an important </v>

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<v Speaker 1>distinction.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Tragedy is when things happen that </v>

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<v Speaker 1>aren't good,</v>
<v Speaker 1>someone gets cancer.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>You know your child slips and breaks,</v>
<v Speaker 1>his or her labor.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Know your parents guide.</v>
<v Speaker 1>That's tragic.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Evil is when something tragic happens </v>
<v Speaker 1>because someone wanted it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Tap.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Okay,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>so we can distinguish between ell </v>
<v Speaker 1>students.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing I would say is people </v>
<v Speaker 1>can have a tragedy like you can get </v>

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<v Speaker 1>tough enough so you can have,</v>
<v Speaker 1>in fact,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can get tough enough so that</v>
<v Speaker 1>you even get tougher if you're exposed </v>

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<v Speaker 1>to trash.</v>
<v Speaker 1>That sort of his statement about,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you know,</v>
<v Speaker 1>whatever doesn't kill me,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>makes me stronger.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Obviously it's an overstatement.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard for people to tolerate </v>
<v Speaker 1>evil level ones.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So like I've seen people,</v>
<v Speaker 1>for example,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>is adolescent clients with posttraumatic</v>
<v Speaker 1>stress disorder.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Very often traumatized by malevolence,</v>
<v Speaker 1>not tragic.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>They fall victim to someone who wants to</v>
<v Speaker 1>hurt and maybe it's even self that wants</v>

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<v Speaker 1>to hurt them and that's revealed to </v>
<v Speaker 1>them,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>you know,</v>
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes they come into their often</v>

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<v Speaker 1>naive people to come into contact with </v>
<v Speaker 1>someone whose purpose is to hurt them </v>

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<v Speaker 1>and that shadows so badly to kind of put</v>
<v Speaker 1>themselves back together.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Evils really devastated.</v>
<v Speaker 1>I think human beings can tolerate </v>

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy and I also think that if people </v>
<v Speaker 1>oriented themselves towards the </v>

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<v Speaker 1>improvement of being,</v>
<v Speaker 1>we could continually ameliorate tragic </v>

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<v Speaker 1>and I do also believe that being is </v>
<v Speaker 1>striving to perfect itself.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's obviously a metaphysical </v>
<v Speaker 1>statement,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't really care if it's a </v>
<v Speaker 1>medical metaphysical statement.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I have my reasons for for bleeding and I</v>
<v Speaker 1>think that the purpose of human life is </v>

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<v Speaker 1>to participate in that process and </v>
<v Speaker 1>because again,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>the alternative is things are quite </v>
<v Speaker 1>lists and life is suffering and it </v>

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<v Speaker 1>should be eradicated.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's like that leads nowhere.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Good really leads nowhere.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Good,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>so I can dispense with it.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's better than where it takes you.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a bad roadmap because most </v>
<v Speaker 1>profound ideas,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>our roadmap,</v>
<v Speaker 1>they tell you how to get from one point </v>

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<v Speaker 1>to another.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to get to the depths of </v>

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<v Speaker 1>infertile chaos or do you want to move </v>
<v Speaker 1>towards something that approximates </v>

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<v Speaker 1>paradise?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Well,</v>
<v Speaker 1>he better make sure you have the right </v>

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<v Speaker 1>map and so and most belief systems,</v>
<v Speaker 1>our roadmaps,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>they're descriptions of reality in our </v>
<v Speaker 1>description to objective reality there.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That isn't what they are,</v>
<v Speaker 1>so have kids to say,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>it's one third of your life.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You will bloody won't regret it if you </v>

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it.</v>
<v Speaker 1>You're not going to be forever or 30.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Some days you're going to be 50 or 55 </v>
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it will be alone.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That's not so good and so you're a fool </v>
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have kids.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Now,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I mean,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I know people have their reasons and </v>
<v Speaker 1>some people have appropriate reasons and</v>

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<v Speaker 1>all that,</v>
<v Speaker 1>but if it's somebody ideological hangup </v>

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<v Speaker 1>that stopping you,</v>
<v Speaker 1>if you better dispense with that </v>

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<v Speaker 1>instead,</v>
<v Speaker 1>instead of dispensing with the kids.</v>