Ventoy fails to load OS on Macbook Pro 2012

[enaran74]

While Ventoy will boot to the menu, as soon as you select any ISO file to mount and boot it fails with "Not a Secure Boot Platform 14"
It also flashes this same message up on initial boot but Ventoy seems to overcome the issue and loads to the menu.
Using 1.0.08 UEFI
Tried latest ISO's of Ubuntudde-20.04 and Elementaryos-5.1 and Windows10_1909

[ghost]

What are your settings here?

[enaran74]

unfortunately the 2012 macbook pro's don't have access to this screen.

[chromer030]

@enaran74 You are still on old Mac OS X Lion , why you do not like to upgrade to Mojave or Catalina ?

macOS Catalina is compatible with these computers :
MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2012)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2012)
MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2012)
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2012)

StartUp Security Utility is supported on Mojave and Catalina.

[enaran74]

Unfortunately, when you load the recovery console this is all you get.
I was on Catalina prior to formatting and installing Linux.
Note. This is the recovery console provided by apple when there is no recovery partition on the disk.
It's loaded from the web.

[brandonkal]

The StartUp Security Utility is for configuring the T2 security chip mess. So it is only available starting with the 2018 MacBooks.

I have this same issue as well with Ventoy on my late 2013 MacBook Pro.

Is there anything I can do to help test this?

[xiaozhuai]

I use Macbook pro 2019. I can't boot to the menu.

[AlexOwen]

I also have the same issue on a mid-2014 MacBook Pro with Mojave. The same "No ER state object" error as @xiaozhuai above.

[auditor3d]

This is the only result when I search this error. It also happens that I am attempting to use Ventoy as well. I am not sure where the disconnect is, but I get the same error on my Macbook 11,1 which does not have T2 so you can't access the menu others here have spoken about.

[brandonkal]

Ventoy just doesn't work on Apple hardware. I've switched to easy2boot which works well (though I am not using it to boot hfs installers).

[peterdk]

Looked at Ventoy to see if it could replace my Zalman VE-350, that can boot any ISO you throw at it. Ubuntu goes ok, but my collection of OSX ISO's give me the same 'No ER state object [..]'. Too bad. Hope it will be made possible in the future.

[julianpoemp]

same issue like the other people before. It's sad, that ventoy is not working on Macbooks 😞

My System:
MacBook Pro (Retina, 15', Mitte 2014)
Intel Iris Pro 1536 MB
MacOS Catalina 10.15.6 (19G2021)

[julianpoemp]

@ventoy is there any progress on this issue? When I try booting on a Mac with a USB stick created by another software (e.g. Rufus) it works all fine...

[ghost]

Please Don't expect anything to happen asap even I did not get any response on an similar issue over a week ago. I am particularly not able to boot 2 iso from ventoy. So please wait for the next release when all our issues will be addressed and solved.

[julianpoemp]

@skulldealer this issue is much older than just one week. Of course I don't expect issues getting solved asap, but 5 months is a time we may ask about any news...

[ghost]

As per my knowledge ventoy developer has a very limited development environment. Ventoy has a ThinkPad I have seen his videos. I don't think he has a macbook pro specifically to test ventoy.

[ghost]

@skulldealer this issue is much older than just one week. Of course I don't expect issues getting solved asap, but 5 months is a time we may ask about any news...

I did not even get a single reply regarding my issue

[ghost]

You could try yumi tool
it needs windows to install but works with Mac's . Could use a vm

[julianpoemp]

@skulldealer

1. I know other tools, but no alternative is as easy as ventoy.
2. Why do you make so many comments? Please edit your latest comment instead.
3. What are you talking about? You created 5 issues here and 4 were answered by ventoy. The latest one is not answered for now, but it's just 9 hours old???

[ghost]

I reopened the latest one again after closing the one I asked a week ago coz it was dead

Waited for a week but nothimg happened for 3 releases

[ghost]

I want knoppix iso support on ventoy great tool for recovery of damaged files from hardisk

[ghost]

Was polite enough to provide the direct download links for the iso files with the issue.

[ghost]

By the way there is another active forum on official ventoy site. You could go there maybe

And maybe also on discord but no idea how active n maintained it is. Maybe unofficial too.

[ghost]

You should probably close this one and open a same new issue on GitHub

[ghost]

I have an idea

Install ventoy on usb with setting on for preserve some space at end. the iso files you are able to boot keep in ventoy partition and use unetbootin to flash the iso u can't boot from ventoy to the non ventoy partition that could help.

[ghost]

I have an idea

Install ventoy on usb with setting on for preserve some space at end. the iso files you are able to boot keep in ventoy partition and use unetbootin to flash the iso u can't boot from ventoy to the non ventoy partition that could help.

May create 2 bootbale usb in one

[ghost]

https://unetbootin.github.io/

It is available for macos

[AlexOwen]

@skulldealer please stop posting. Every message you post is emailed to 10+ other people.

This is not a forum for discussion, it is an issue tracker. If you have something constructive, post it, if not, post somewhere else.

[ghost]

Ok sry

[ghost]

issue resolved!!!!!!!!

Mac os can now work with ventoy 100 percent done I did it

Need to integrate unetbootin with ventoy.

Please give me some time

I assure you that's possible

Now ventoy can work with macos with a plugin possibly. Please wait as I test other iso. So far I got success with ubuntudde.iso latest

Pls wait I am sure there is a way to solve this issue . after I do my research over this I will need forward my research to ventoy which will be released later.

[ghost]

Need to change partition structure for mac support. Possibly there are 2 uefi partions required

Such usb will also be compatible with other os like windows laptop!

[Diacius]

Does Easy2Boot+agFM work? agFM also uses grub2.

I've never tried either of the things you mentioned. However, if easy2boot uses the same method as Ventoy (IDK) surely the same problem would exist?
I might try it as well, however this is still a workaround, and not a solution I would still prefer that Ventoy worked easy2boot has a pretty bad website and seems to be less popular. Also could you elaborate on what the point of agFM is? I didn't really follow the info on the website... I can tell it means that the menu is GRUB, so does easy2boot use another bootloader

[steve6375]

see www.easy2boot.xyz
It contains 3 menu systems, grub4dos E2B (for legacy), agFM grub2 (legacy and UEFI) and Ventoy (currently old version).
Since agFM uses grub2 - if it works then it indicates a problem peculiar to Ventoy.
Another avenue is to use the Ventoy F6 extended menu feature and write a grub2 .cfg file to boot a Linux ISO and see if that works.
At least more knowledge will be obtained.

[Diacius]

Ahhhhhhhhh, I see.
So if we can people to try agFM and it works. Then we need to see what the differences between Ventoy and agFM are. Also trying Tails as @kkovacs said would be interesting. At this point someone who understands the codebase of Ventoy probably needs to step in as I am just a user.
I will test the methods you suggested when I can.

[Diacius]

I would prefer to use plain Ventoy as it has plenty of good features, and I understand how it works. But I could compromise with easy2boot+Ventoy / easy2boot+agFM. Although the HFS boot feature seems tempting. Also agFM seems pretty nice. I will try this and report back on what happens. As you said 'At least more knowledge will be obtained.'

[Diacius]

unfortunately the 2012 macbook pro's don't have access to this screen.

Technically you do it is the firmware password. However it is an old version of the UEFI firmware that needs to be updated due to not having secure boot

Does it get updated during MacOS updates? I assume it does as I currently dual boot Fedora+OS X El Capitan (I had to manually flash Fedora) so I don't know if that version of Mac OS Recovery has secure boot. I get a firmware password option but thats it.

[Diacius]

If someone can test for @ventoy and try the stuff mentioned here (I might) that would help.
I created #954 but closed it because it was a duplicate. Maybe we need to consolidate all the MacOS issues like #35 #871 #680 #917 #686 here or in a new one. Because @ventoy doesn't have a mac this makes ths difficult, maybe someone could find the changes needed?

[Diacius]

**#7 states **

NOTE : Any "Install macOS ..." created bootable .dmg's (which are just .img files) , ISO or RAW , don't currently boot on Macs (through ventoy) due to how their bootloaders are setup compared to normal UEFI bootloaders.

So someone needs to work out the differences and see if there can be a Mac mode or something...

[bartatgithub]

Wow, this discussion is going on.
I imagin that all people in this discussion can and are willing to test.
But does Ventoy has time and energie to work on this?
So, i am willing to test but first i have to fix the 'locked out firmware password' problem that i have.

Years ago i have put a 'firmware password', with a symbol in it, because that's a nice extra securety but with one of the latest Catalina Security Updates the 'firmware' was updated. Since then when i try to put 'firmware password' off to test Ventoy it says that i can't use that symbol in a 'firmware password'. So, i can't put it off or change it anymore. Searched the web but no fix for that one. If somebody can help with that i can test some of the possibilities out here. The weird thing is that i still can enter the 'firmware password' and that works, for example to enter 'Recovery Mode' but i can't put it off or change it.

p.s.: Meanwhile i am thinking to leave my MacBook Pro, it's from 2015 and go for a Notebook, it's cheaper for new hardware plus easier to install Linux on it. ;-)

[Diacius]

Wow, this discussion is going on.
I imagin that all people in this discussion can and are willing to test.
But does Ventoy has time and energie to work on this?
So, i am willing to test but first i have to fix the 'locked out firmware password' problem that i have.

Years ago i have put a 'firmware password', with a symbol in it, because that's a nice extra securety but with one of the latest Catalina Security Updates the 'firmware' was updated. Since then when i try to put 'firmware password' off to test Ventoy it says that i can't use that symbol in a 'firmware password'. So, i can't put it off or change it anymore. Searched the web but no fix for that one. If somebody can help with that i can test some of the possibilities out here. The weird thing is that i still can enter the 'firmware password' and that works, for example to enter 'Recovery Mode' but i can't put it off or change it.

p.s.: Meanwhile i am thinking to leave my MacBook Pro, it's from 2015 and go for a Notebook, it's cheaper for new hardware plus easier to install Linux on it. ;-)

Sadly, AFAIK you can't downgrade mac firmware, I know because I installed snow leopard onto a mac with El Capitan era firmware. (long story basically i cant use "Install mac os" so i had to upgrade from Snow Leopard as its the last to come on DVD)

Yeah, the only reason I use a mac is because it's the only non-chromebook laptop I have, I have a PC but its handy to have a laptop to use around the house etc. I would buy a linux laptop, but I'm still in school so I can't afford one as they tend to be more expensive than parts for a pc. Apparently as read in #7 , macs cant boot Ventoy because of their proprietary EFI (Classic Apple lol).

[bartatgithub]

Yes, i know! So, for me difficult to test.
I have just checked and Ventoy himself has never replied on this post and i read somewhere that he doesn't work for Mac computers. So, first we need some answere from him i think.

[Diacius]

Yes, i know! So, for me difficult to test.
I have just checked and Ventoy himself has never replied on this post and i read somewhere that he doesn't work for Mac computers. So, first we need some answere from him i think.

Yes, he doesn't have a mac.
Also, I don't mean to be rude (i noticed your from belgium :) ) but check out deepl.com for translation, its way better than google translate

[bartatgithub]

... i know and use sometimes deepl, G-free i am ;-), but I prefer to translate simple replies myself (I speak and write (quite well) three languages, I think that is enough;-) and not to depend on 'translators'. But that is another story.

[Diacius]

Something that might help this in a direction: I'm having the same issue with Ventoy as everybody else here (Mac, same screen). It doesn't boot any Linux except for Tails. It does boot Tails. (Tails is an animal, it boots on everything.)

If we could figure out what Tails does differently, then maybe we could reproduce it using the inject plugin or something?

Any thoughts?

Intresting. My mac boots most linux if you flash it to a drive using Rufus or Etcher or whatever. I need to get round to trying Tails, perhaps with ventoy?

What's especially odd about this whole issue is that the menu appears fine, but Ventoy can't load the OS. But if you use a distro iso flashed to usb it works fine! What's the difference between the two?

[DarkLegacy248]

Has there been any progress on this issue?

[theAeon]

Has anyone tried this with the EFI partition as HFS+ instead of FAT32? I have to imagine that'd help matters.

edit just tried, imploded.

[lsnch]

So the fact that only Tails is working got me curious and I did some digging. I'm on MBA2013.

Boot happens only from tails.img (for USB sticks), but not from tails.iso (for DVD). Iso (both tails and all other distros) can only be mounted as cd9660, whereas img (from tails) is a GPT partitioned image with entire payload (1G+) on its single EFI partition (the special one, with partition type ef00):

I tried making tails.iso work. When loading a drive, BIOS systems look for code on the first sector (MBR, 512 bytes), ahead of all partitions, which is where the first stage of grub would normally live. AFAIK, UEFI+GPT boot mechanism (like tails.img, according to me) has no such need. There, MBR has no code, and all loaders live on the special EFI partition (which typically should be 200M). So, I thought if I just extracted tails.iso onto the EFI inside gpt image it would work.

Perhaps ventoy unpacks those images differently and reads MBR, somehow? It could load itself as EFI, but then execute images as MBR? Maybe tails.img contains boot code, in the first sector? Or maybe grub loads and silently fails? I'm out of ideas, maybe I'm missing something.

[Diacius]

That's, really weird! For me grub loads and displays a menu, and all of the Ventoy functions seem to work. But if i select any ISO, with or without the memdisk option. I just get an endless black screen

[blindelectron]

I have the same issue on MacBook Pro 2015, and ventoy loads fine, but as soon as I try to book any operating systems, the screen goes black for a minute, then it comes up with a message, not a secure platform 14. Unless of course, I load either, tails.IMG, or cloudready.IMG

[betabot7]

For me, on a 2012 Mac mini, the latest version of Ventoy showed up both as EFI and Windows. EFI gives the errors mentioned above, but when I selected windows, I was able to boot a proxmox 7.2 iso. Note, I did not have windows installed in bootcamp.

[manuelv04]

no solution yet??

[Lyapsus]

Also Arch iso is able to boot in grub2 mode

[qral]

Tried latest Ventoy (1.0.87) on Win, removed Secure boot support and booted live distro (Kali and Ubuntu) via grub2 mode on the macbook mid-2015 fine.
Also if I tried normal mode I had to reset SMC afterwards, because of black screen boot 😠

[remym19]

I could also overcome the issue by booting the ISO in Grub2 mode from Ventoy (installed on the USB disk with secure-boot-support enabled, even if the "Not a secure boot platform 14" message was still displayed for 1 second before the Ventoy menu).

[jrussell88]

I have a mid-2014 Intel-based Macbook Pro (11,2), running Refind, Ubuntu and OSx El Capitan. SIP is disabled, and it predates the T2 chip. The hard drive is GPT. I re-enabled SIP without any effect on the error: "Not a Secure Boot Platform 14"

I tried grub.efi and grub64_real.efi.

From grub.efi, Ventoy 1.0.88 brings up the Grub menu with the two available Ubuntu ISOs, then offers a choice of boot methods (normal mode, grub2 etc). Normal mode hangs with the "Not a Secure Boot Platform 14" error whilst booting Ubuntu 22.04.2.

From the grub.efi, Grub2 mode boots successfully.

[super-15]

just... dont use ventoy for it...?

[exee21]

And here it is 2023. --- I just used latest ver of Ventoy with ubuntu-desktop.iso and booted it with grub2 with no problems at all. -- Resolved.

[iwannet]

Not resolved, macOs images still dont boot using ventoy

[account183892]

What are your settings here?

Restricted boot is only on T2 Macs.

[ninjadev64]

Using grub2 mode worked for me with elementary OS ;)